Comments on: The lack of logic for paywalls… http://logictortured.com/blog/2010/07/23/2398/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:58:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: admin http://logictortured.com/blog/2010/07/23/2398/comment-page-1/#comment-1751 admin Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:05:59 +0000 http://logictortured.com/blog/2010/07/23/2398/#comment-1751 "<i>So is the Financial Times’ paywall a failure?</i>" <br> I have no idea. Did Marion Maneker mention that in his posting? Nope. <br> "<i>And is the Daily Variety’s paywall also a failure?</i>" <br> Once again, I have no idea. Apparently, Marion Maneker didn't mention that site either. <br> And apparently you have no understanding about what I posted. I took the arguments in Marion Maneker's article and dissected them to show how they did not hold up to any logical scrutiny. He attempted (poorly, might I add) to show that those who are against paywalls are somehow illogical. But yet, he did not make one logical point himself. And even worse, he provided no illogical argument made by someone who is against paywalls. He set out to prove two things and failed at both. <br> Furthermore, my point was not to show that paywalls are a bad idea. My point was to show that Maneker's arguments were invalid and without support. I personally don't give a rip if paywalls succeed or not. I'm only interested in the attempts at logic behind the arguments. <br> But let's look at your two paywall successes anyway, the Financial Times and the Daily Variety. Are those mainstream news sites? Nope. They are niche sites. <br> Niche magazines have long charged readers a premium beyond mere advertising. That's because they're by definition niche. They can't get the number of readers more mainstream magazines get, so they can't make as much money on advertising. <br> So the fact that paywalls are working in these two niche situations is not shocking at all. (Assuming those two sites <i>are</i> profitable, and <i>are</i> more profitable than without a paywall, you've shown no proof of either.) “So is the Financial Times’ paywall a failure?”

I have no idea. Did Marion Maneker mention that in his posting? Nope.

“And is the Daily Variety’s paywall also a failure?”

Once again, I have no idea. Apparently, Marion Maneker didn’t mention that site either.

And apparently you have no understanding about what I posted. I took the arguments in Marion Maneker’s article and dissected them to show how they did not hold up to any logical scrutiny. He attempted (poorly, might I add) to show that those who are against paywalls are somehow illogical. But yet, he did not make one logical point himself. And even worse, he provided no illogical argument made by someone who is against paywalls. He set out to prove two things and failed at both.

Furthermore, my point was not to show that paywalls are a bad idea. My point was to show that Maneker’s arguments were invalid and without support. I personally don’t give a rip if paywalls succeed or not. I’m only interested in the attempts at logic behind the arguments.

But let’s look at your two paywall successes anyway, the Financial Times and the Daily Variety. Are those mainstream news sites? Nope. They are niche sites.

Niche magazines have long charged readers a premium beyond mere advertising. That’s because they’re by definition niche. They can’t get the number of readers more mainstream magazines get, so they can’t make as much money on advertising.

So the fact that paywalls are working in these two niche situations is not shocking at all. (Assuming those two sites are profitable, and are more profitable than without a paywall, you’ve shown no proof of either.)

]]> By: Nate the great http://logictortured.com/blog/2010/07/23/2398/comment-page-1/#comment-1743 Nate the great Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:50:17 +0000 http://logictortured.com/blog/2010/07/23/2398/#comment-1743 So is the Financial Times' paywall a failure? And is the Daily Variety's paywall also a failure? The answer to both questions is no. The paywalls are working. So is the Financial Times’ paywall a failure? And is the Daily Variety’s paywall also a failure?

The answer to both questions is no. The paywalls are working.

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